您好，由于缺乏维护和兼容问题，维基媒体基金会和社群有意弃用结构式讨论（又称Flow），现在使用结构式讨论的讨论页未来将转换成Wikitext（维基文本）。因为您的讨论页启用了结构式讨论，所以向您递送此消息。我们邀请您参与相关讨论，并建议您先行考虑关闭此功能。如有问题，亦可至互助客栈求助区留言。給您帶來的不便，我們深表歉意。
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This is a test message. Trizek (WMF) 2019年9月30日 (一) 17:04 (UTC)
您好，我看到了您在互助客栈寻找志愿者的留言，非常乐意帮忙翻译。
Hello
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Lamenzond just got renamed to be Hmgqzx and his/ her flow boards got left behind. The problems got back again.The error message shown that is ""flow-board" content is not allowed on page". I don't know whether it is caused by "the revoke" of "flow-create-board" from sysop (Special:群组权限) Could you please have a check and fix the mentioned usertalk page. Thank you.
I'm surprised. I've moved the page without any issue, using the usual system to rename pages. Haven't you tried that option?
No change in software has been made over the week end so that's not a software issue (in theory).
I tried to move Wikipedia talk:Flow tests and I got the same error message ""flow-board" content is not allowed on page".
What was your target page?
Strange. I've managed to make the move using Special:移动页面/Wikipedia_talk:Flow_tests (where you can see the log). I assume you have used the same page to try your move? (I'm asking just in case, because I've already seen people moving pages a different way.) If so, I'll report it.
Yes, I am using Special:移动页面/Wikipedia_talk:Flow_tests to move the page. Moreover, you can see there is a log of moving the page made by me previously. I have asked another admin to try to move the page and they received the same error message.
Hey. It's long been true that sysops cannot do this. What is the rationale behind that? Can you perhaps point me to where this decision is made? Thank you.
Hello
The right to create Flow boards is global and
There is no formal decision, more a way to do things: at the beginning only a few boards were enabled on a few wikis. Then, different communities have decided to use Flow more and more. Nothing has been defined yet to give it to sysops (or another role) on the wikis. My bad, it is one of my tasks and I've postponed it since a while. :/
Can you ask other sysops if it is okay if all sysops of zh.wp have the right to create, move and delete Flow boards? Thanks!
I haven't explicitly asked the community about their stance on this, but I am pretty sure that most people agree the sysop should be able to do those things. I'll do a real survey soon.
On a related note, I have found a way to move and create flow pages as a sysop. I moved user talk:bluedeck/flow to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test with my little exploit. So in all actuality sysops right now can create as many flow boards as they wish and move them wherever they want.
I published this exploit in the local VP a while ago and a global renamer in our community, Wong128hk, I believe, uses this scheme to fulfill rename requests that involve moving flow talks.
I think there should be no problems to allow sysops on zh.wp having the right to create, move and delete Flow boards. And at least, I do believe that phab:T150572 should be resolved asap. Global renamers, other than coming from zh.wp, may not know that flow boards will be left behind while renaming a user on zh.wp.
@Bluedeck, can you hold the survey for a couple of days? Maybe a decision to attribute this right automatically to all sysops on all wikis using Flow as a Beta feature can be taken soon. That would spare time to your colleagues.
For the redirect, have you used this trick?
@Wong128hk, yeah, I know about that. :/ I'm time to time pinged when an account has been renamed but the Flow board hasn't moved.
No, that's not what I did. Here's my exploit.
Objective: move user talk:bluedeck/flow (Page A) to user talk:bluedeck/flow/test (Page B)
Procedure:
- Delete page A.
- Create an ordinary page on top of page A
- Delete this ordinary page
- Restore the whole history of A. So that the history versions carrying flow board is loaded to current history. At this point A looks like an ordinary page.
- Move A to B.
- Delete B
- Restore B, but only restore the versions carrying the flow board. Now you have the flow moved to B.
Interesting! I'll try it next week.
You were two to say it is a good idea, plus I had the same request from Wikidata users. We are going to give the right to create, move and delete Structured Discussions to sysops on your wiki.
I opened a discussion about this issue. While there's not enough involvement for it to be called consensus yet, someone said any unprivileged user should also be able to create and move flow in a way no different than ordinary talk pages. And it made sense to me. So, is this possible?
It would be possible, but I advice prefer to give the right only to sysops first, to see if there is a big need and if the creation process reveals issues. We will be able to move on to give that right to autopatrolled users (for instance) if everything goes well.
It works quite good for sysop to move the flow boards on this wiki. But it would be better if there is a log of page moving created on the page history, just like what have done on the other pages.
It is now possible to create, move and delete Structured discussions boards on this wiki.
@Wong128hk, I'll check this log problem you describe. On which page have you seen it?
"User_talk:A-Chinese-Wikipedian/Flow_存档_1" was moved from "User talk:A-Chinese-User/Flow 存档 1" after the rename of the user. There is a log created on Special:log/move. However, there should be a log created on the page history also.
That is ok. I still would like create that Flow board on a sub-page.
Done!
Hello, you have a new message at Wikipedia_talk:Guestbook_for_non-Chinese_speakers.
Hello Trizek,
Are there needs to backup and archive data in our flow pages periodically just like other Talk pages?
Thank you and happy thanksgiving.
Hello Lnnocentius,
That is not necessary. Archiving is done automatically, you just have to scroll down the page to load old topics.
Happy thanksgiving to you too if you celebrate it! :)
"您好！
就像社群中的其他人一样，您也在使用 Flow。
使用 Flow 或考虑使用 Flow 的社群越来越多。尽管 Flow 本身在2016年并没有安排为主要研发对象，协作小组仍然对提供一个改进的结构化讨论系统有极大兴趣。
您可以通过分享您对于 Flow 的想法帮助我们在今后研发的道路上作出决定——什么应该有，什么不应该有和什么应该做出改进？
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感谢您对于 Flow 的意见和想法！
Trizek (WMF)，协作小组成员, 2016年9月7日 (三) 14:45 (UTC)
Hello Trizek,
Is What I see on this talk page before my editing what '''Flow''' works ? Where can I get a comprehensive yet concise explanation of how it works and for me ?
Regards,
Hello Ktsquare
Thank you for your message
This page is working on Flow. It is a new way to discuss, and it is simpler: you don't need to add indentation or to sign anymore.
There is some documentation here in Chinese (but it may be not up-to-date) or there in Chinese (or in English, waiting for translation).
I hope I've answered all your questions! Do not hesitate to ask for more information!
Just in Translatewiki, I used Chinese version of quotation mark on Flow's Chinese Translation -- 「」. The summary looks perfect now.
Expanding templates appears "您好，......(The topic name)", not "您好，小躍(The user name)", What do you change his/her user name(except immediate edit)?
Do you have a page with an example?
您好，Sqn83udd3ibo0myt。感謝您在巡查與標記快速刪除的辛勞。我發現您提出的刪除請求沒有做得很好，所提出的快速刪除理由與頁面不符。 請用一點時間看過新頁面巡查、快速删除守则、尤其是非快速刪除理由。頁面通常更適合提出到頁面存廢討論。It is the test of expanding template.
Oh, I see: that template uses the page name, apparently by using {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This is a known bug, I've reported your feedback.
Is that problem a blocker for your wiki?